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		<description>What&#039;s the secret to delivering a technical talk or introducing a complex idea to non-experts? How do you get their attention, engage their brains, and build trust?

That&#039;s what Nerds That Talk Good tries uncover! Bringing together smarty-pant communicators from across all kinds of subject areas (computers to chemistry, physics to futurism, and archeology to anthrozoology) about how they bring their technical talk to life and overcome those &quot;blank stare&quot; moments.

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		<itunes:subtitle>Stop being the smartest person nobody understands.</itunes:subtitle>
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		<itunes:summary>What&#039;s the secret to delivering a technical talk or introducing a complex idea to non-experts? How do you get their attention, engage their brains, and build trust?

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In this episode, Joel Benge sits down with Erik Braund, founder and CEO of Katmai — a virtual office platform on a mission to delete your f*ing meetings.]]></description>
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In this episode, Joel Benge sits down with Erik Braund, founder and CEO of Katmai — a virtual office platform on a mission to delete your f*ing meetings.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<description><![CDATA[EP026: Headlining Bands and Writing Headlines that Land with Anthony Pierri Watch on YouTube below: Episode Summary: After a book-launch hiatus, Joel returns In this high-energy and insight-packed conversation with Anthony Pierri, co-founder of Fletch PMM, a product marketing consultancy that has helped more than 400 venture-backed B2B startups clarify their product positioning and bring [&#8230;]]]></description>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>Algorithms, Activism, &#038; the Cost of Eggs, Political Psychology with Abby</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Political psychology researcher Abby joins Nerds That Talk Good to unpack what really drives political decisions (hint: it’s not just messaging), why she started a YouTube channel to explain hostile and benevolent sexism, and how to bring science to activism without the burnout.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Political psychology researcher Abby joins Nerds That Talk Good to unpack what really drives political decisions (hint: it’s not just messaging), why she started a YouTube channel to explain hostile and benevolent sexism, and how to bring science to acti]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[EP 023: Algorithms, Activism, & the Cost of Eggs, Political Psychology with Abby]]></itunes:title>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2025 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[EP022: Kintsugi to Cognitive Biases with Re:Mind Creator Juan Carlos Episode Summary: In this reflective and inspiring episode of Nerds That Talk Good, Juan Carlos joins Joel to unpack the power of mental models as tools for strategic thinking, healing, ]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[EP022: Kintsugi to Cognitive Biases with Re:Mind Creator Juan Carlos]]></itunes:title>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Don't Mix Bleach & Bullsh*t with Chem Thug]]></itunes:title>
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	<description><![CDATA[EP018: From Judo to JavaScript, &#38; Fighting for What Matters with AnnMaria De Mars Episode Summary: In this episode of Nerds That Talk Good, Joel sits down with Dr. AnnMaria De Mars—world judo champion, educational psychologist, four-time tech founder, and game developer—whose life story reads like a cross between a TED Talk and an action [&#8230;]]]></description>
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	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Nerds That Talk Good, host Joel sits down with Jon Selig, a former tech sales professional turned stand-up comedian and corporate comedy trainer. Jon shares his journey from selling enterprise software at Oracle to performing stand-up for over a decade, and how he now helps sales and marketing teams sharpen their messaging through humor.]]></description>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Hacking, Food Safety, &#038; Gorillas with Kristin Demoranville</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2025 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[Cybersecurity, food safety, and gorillas collide in this conversation with Kristin Demoranville. In this episode of Nerds That Talk Good, host Joel speaks with the founder of AnzenSage and Bytes and Bites podcast host about the intersections of OT security, AI in agriculture, and the challenge of making technical communication accessible. Kristin shares how primate behavior informs cybersecurity leadership, why the food industry is a major cyber target, and why she believes in slowing down and being mindful of what we eat. Tune in to hear how technology is shaping the future of food and security.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Cybersecurity, food safety, and gorillas collide in this conversation with Kristin Demoranville. In this episode of Nerds That Talk Good, host Joel speaks with the founder of AnzenSage and Bytes and Bites podcast host about the intersections of OT securi]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Hacking, Food Safety, & Gorillas with Kristin Demoranville]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Breakthrough or Bust: The Art of Email &#038; Storytelling with Zac Hyde</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_013/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[Episode Summary: In this high-energy episode of Nerds That Talk Good, Joel talks with Zac Hyde, a former Army Ranger, CISO, and now a powerhouse email copywriter who helps brands cut through the noise with bold, emotion-driven storytelling. Zac shares his unorthodox path from jumping out of planes to accidentally closing a $4.9M deal with [&#8230;]]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Episode Summary: In this high-energy episode of Nerds That Talk Good, Joel talks with Zac Hyde, a former Army Ranger, CISO, and now a powerhouse email copywriter who helps brands cut through the noise with bold, emotion-driven storytelling. Zac shares hi]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Breakthrough or Bust: The Art of Email & Storytelling with Zac Hyde]]></itunes:title>
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	<image>
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	<itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit>
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	<googleplay:explicit>Yes</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Developer Marketing Does Not Exist with Adam DuVander</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_012/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2025 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Adam DuVander of EveryDeveloper breaks down why developer marketing should feel invisible. Learn how to earn developers’ trust, avoid BS marketing traps, and craft content that actually gets results. Plus: Why “there is no spoon” in dev marketing.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Adam DuVander of EveryDeveloper breaks down why developer marketing should feel invisible. Learn how to earn developers’ trust, avoid BS marketing traps, and craft content that actually gets results. Plus: Why “there is no spoon” in dev marketing.]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Developer Marketing Does Not Exist with Adam DuVander]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode>
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	<itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<googleplay:explicit>Yes</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Visual Storytelling &#038; The Hero’s Journey in Motion with Joel Loukus</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_011/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2025 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Motion Director Joel Loukus breaks down visual storytelling, creative pitches, and why technical messaging needs myth and structure. Hear insights on the Hero’s Journey, motion design for high-stakes audiences, and the art of making people care.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Motion Director Joel Loukus breaks down visual storytelling, creative pitches, and why technical messaging needs myth and structure. Hear insights on the Hero’s Journey, motion design for high-stakes audiences, and the art of making people care.]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Visual Storytelling & The Hero’s Journey in Motion with Joel Loukus]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Operating from Stealth and Scaring The Pants off People with Chip Harris</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_010/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2025 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Chip Harris, ethical hacker and OT expert, shares his journey from rural roots to protecting critical infrastructure. Hear stories of trust, safety, and simplifying cybersecurity for real-world impact.

CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains descriptions of crimes and injuries, which may be unsettling to some listeners.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Chip Harris, ethical hacker and OT expert, shares his journey from rural roots to protecting critical infrastructure. Hear stories of trust, safety, and simplifying cybersecurity for real-world impact.

CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains descriptions]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Operating from Stealth and Scaring The Pants off People with Chip Harris]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode>
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	<itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<googleplay:explicit>Yes</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>Empathy, AI, and the Future of Tech Storytelling with Dr. Implausible</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_009/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Dr. Implausible explores empathy in tech design, the evolution of AI and robotics, and the commodification of media. Discover insights on blending art, technology, and storytelling to create impactful and engaging narratives for the future.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Dr. Implausible explores empathy in tech design, the evolution of AI and robotics, and the commodification of media. Discover insights on blending art, technology, and storytelling to create impactful and engaging narratives for the future.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Empathy, AI, and the Future of Tech Storytelling with Dr. Implausible]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>From Theater Kid to Tech Research Queen with Tricia Howard</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_008/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2025 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Tricia Howard of Akamai shares how she blends creativity and technical expertise to amplify cybersecurity research, craft authentic narratives, and connect with audiences.]]></description>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[From Theater Kid to Tech Research Queen with Tricia Howard]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>49:03</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:image href="https://i0.wp.com/messagespecs.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/008-Tricia-Howard.png?fit=3000%2C3000&#038;ssl=1"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>My Nerd Origin Story with Joel Benge</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_007/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[In this short, solo episode, Joel Benge (finally) shares his own nerd origin story. More guest nerd interviews coming soon!]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this short, solo episode, Joel Benge (finally) shares his own nerd origin story. More guest nerd interviews coming soon!]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[My Nerd Origin Story with Joel Benge]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode>
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		<title>My Nerd Origin Story with Joel Benge</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:image href="https://i0.wp.com/messagespecs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/007-Joel-Solo.png?fit=3000%2C3000&#038;ssl=1"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Microbiology &#038; Video Game Design with Melanie Stegman</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_006/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Dr. Melanie Stegman, biochemist and game designer, shares her journey of creating science-based games that make learning fun. Discover her insights on teaching coding, engaging students through hands-on projects, and redefining the “learning game” experience.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Dr. Melanie Stegman, biochemist and game designer, shares her journey of creating science-based games that make learning fun. Discover her insights on teaching coding, engaging students through hands-on projects, and redefining the “learning game” experi]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Microbiology & Video Game Design with Melanie Stegman]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:image href="https://i0.wp.com/messagespecs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/006-Melanie-Stegman.png?fit=3000%2C3000&#038;ssl=1"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Emotion in Robotics Messaging with Brad Hennessie</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_005/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Founder Brad Hennessie shares his journey of building Next Step Robotics, insights on pitching, and using emotion-driven messaging to connect with customers and investors.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Founder Brad Hennessie shares his journey of building Next Step Robotics, insights on pitching, and using emotion-driven messaging to connect with customers and investors.]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Finding Emotion in Robotics Messaging with Brad Hennessie]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode>
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	<image>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>27:51</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:image href="https://i0.wp.com/messagespecs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/005-Brad-Hennessie.png?fit=3000%2C3000&#038;ssl=1"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Unlocking Customer Credibility with Joel Klettke</title>
	<link>https://messagespecs.com/podcast/nttg_004/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2024 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Benge]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://messagespecs.com/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=1481</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Joel Klettke shares insights on making technical content accessible, building credibility with customer stories, and the importance of feedback. He discusses his journey from SEO to founding Case Study Buddy, offering advice on storytelling, internal alignment, and the role of customer success in driving marketing impact.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Joel Klettke shares insights on making technical content accessible, building credibility with customer stories, and the importance of feedback. He discusses his journey from SEO to founding Case Study Buddy, offering advice on storytell]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Unlocking Customer Credibility with Joel Klettke]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode>
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